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Laker Jim’s Fletch Cast
Spinning the Wheel of Aliases
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Episode 10: The Aliases
This week, the Fletchcast takes a deep dive into the all the aliases that are used in Fletch & Fletch Lives. Often times, the identities that Fletch gives people are not just funny names... Most of the time, they are REAL PEOPLE behind the goofy pseudonyms. This episode guarantees more background information per minute - on people you never knew existed - than any other podcast out there. Jake, Bob, and Laker Jim spin the Wheel of Fletch and educate each other -one by one - on every single Irwin M. Fletcher alias. Join in the fun! Guess who is REAL and who is NOT...How many can you get right?
OUR "WHEEL OF FLETCH ALIASES" INCLUDE:
Ted Nugent, Arnold Babar, Dr. Rosenpenis/Dr. Rosenrosen/ Dr. Rosen, John Cocktolston, Mr. Poon, Igor Stravinsky, Gordon Liddy, Don Corlione, Harry S. Truman, Mattress Police, Geometry Fletch, Mary Poppins, Nostradamus, Baba au Rum, Jane Doe, Peggy Lee Zorba, Victor Hugo, Henry Himler (Hank Himler), Billy Jean King, Eldridge Cleaver, Claud Henry Smoot, Peter Lemongello, Ed Harley, Elmer Fudd Gantry, and Bobby Lee Swartz
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FletchCast is Your Ultimate source for everything Fletch: the books, the movies, & the latest news about our favorite journalistic reporter, Irwin M. Fletcher.
... making sure Fletch Lives forever!
Host: James "Laker Jim" Kanowitz (@webguy911)
Co-Host: Jake Parrish (@jakelparrish)
Co-Host: Robert "Big Bob" West
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Fletch & Fletch Lives are Copyright 1985, 1989 Universal Studios and distributed by MCA/Universal Pictures. The Fletch Soundtrack is Copyright MCA Records. Confess, Fletch is Copyright of Miramax with Paramount distribution. All images and sounds are the intellectual property of Universal Studios. They are used only with the intent of public appreciation of a great film and possible publicity for its place among the great comedies of our time. We imply no rights to the characters or intellectual property created by Gregory McDonald, Universal or Miramax and is used for educational purposes only.
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"Laker Jim" James KanowitzThank you, Sammy, and welcome to Fletchcast. I'm your host, Laker Jim, along with two guys who still can't figure out what they were doing in Utah this morning, Jake and Big Bob. Welcome, guys.
Jake ParrishWe just got back actually from Trembling Hills, so no more sedatives in your life. Yeah, the nose just cleared up. I mean, I look so much better.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAnd hats off to Nikki, his wife.
Jake ParrishFor many reasons, allowing me to use our makeshift studio slash her walk-in closet as my studio.
"Big Bob" WestThe way your voice bounces off those sweaters.
Jake ParrishBeautiful. That's right, right.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzBoys, this week we have a really special episode because it is dedicated to the aliases of Fletch. And the aliases of Fletch are a key component to Fletch maneuvering his way in and out of situations, gathering information. You know, so what we're gonna do over this episode, we're gonna we're gonna cover both Fletch and Fletch Libs. We're gonna combine them. We built a really nice like a prize wheel or something. Yeah, a prize wheel, right? So we put all the alias names on a prize wheel and we'll spin them, and I guess we'll go in a rotation of let's say clockwise around the room, we'll each take one. And because the aliases are much more than just funny names. Uh sometimes there's a real person behind the alias. And what makes Fletch so smart and clever is that the aliases that he uses and the real people that they are, sometimes in the situation he uses them in, makes it all the more ironic. And you'll you'll get what we mean uh as we get going. Alright, guys, you ready to get started? All right, let's do this. Yeah, I'm excited.
Jake ParrishI'm excited.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAll right, why don't we why don't we spin the alias wheel? Give it a little give it a nice uh who wants to spin it first, Bob? You want to give it a spin? I'll give it a spin. Come on, big money, big money, big money, big money, big money. Arnold Babar.
SPEAKER_02Isn't there a children's book about an elephant named Babar?
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzBob, why don't you take Arnold Babar? Why don't we start off with Sure?
"Big Bob" WestOkay. Um Arnold Babar, first and foremost, you know, we all know the scene. We all know that he goes to Jellyfinger uh trying to get information on Stanwick, and we all know what happens. But the funny thing about it is there there are a lot of similarities between the Babar character and Fletch himself. In my digging, um, over the you know, my life thinking about these kind of things, one you know, assuming that one day this episode would come. Uh Babar itself, uh based on uh a 70 book series started in the 30s, started by a French author named uh Jean de Brunhoff. And when he passed away, his son Lament took over. Two names I love Jean and Lament. Yeah, yeah. So just just you know, just just the story itself. You tell me if this sounds fletched to you or not. Much like Bambi, Babar's mother is killed by a hunter. That leads to Babar escaping the jungle and running off to the city to kind of educate himself, learn and and and develop. Now, how often does the Fletch universe situation involve Fletch uh running from uh a woman being killed?
Jake ParrishNo, you're right. I mean, Confess Fletch is uh is one and um actually several of the books, yes. So I can see the correlation that you're pointing out.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzWhat a what a what a disturbing disturbing backstory to a children's book.
"Big Bob" WestWell, you know, that's that's that's always the case. So once he finally returns, um the king of the elephants dies eating a bad mushroom.
SPEAKER_11He's dying for years. Yeah, but I mean the very end, when he actually died, that was extremely sudden.
"Big Bob" WestAnd because Fletch is uh Fletch, because Babar is uh so versed, so versed in the world, he gets made the next king.
Jake ParrishWait a minute, are you is this are you making this up? Is this real?
"Big Bob" WestNo, no, this is really what happens. This is really what happens. So he gets made the next king, and then he goes on to marry his cousin, who I assume is Sally Ann Babar. Right. Umries his cousin and no one ever looks uh looks you know at that with any kind of strangeness, being it's a children's book. For one thing, um, as exercise or as recreation, Babar often plays tennis.
SPEAKER_02California Racket Club.
"Big Bob" WestAnd when he does play tennis, he his tennis outfit is exactly the same as John Cocktail Stone. White polo, white shorts, he actually holds the racket in his uh trunk. There's also a book that came out in 1971. It's called Babar and the Doctor. Now, listen, I didn't get time to read it, but I am sure this has to do with proctology.
Jake ParrishDrop your shorts and bend over, Mr. Babar. Of course, it has to be.
"Big Bob" WestHonestly, if any of you are big Babar fans and have ever read this book, please, please, please call in our phone number, uh, leave us a voicemail and just confirm what we already are assuming that uh Babar goes to the proctologist and gets a trunk up his ass and yeah, it says Moon River.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzWith that little nugget of information that you know Babar is often playing tennis, it's actually makes sense that he uses that sort of alias when talking to the doctor about the tennis club.
"Big Bob" WestAnd and that's really you know the extent of uh of the Babar and Fletch similarities.
Jake ParrishIt's just a shame. It's just a shame that the king was probably just looking for a good time, bad mushroom.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAll right, good job. Let's uh let's jump right.
"Big Bob" WestThere's a lot because we have uh we have 24 or so, so we have a lot to cover here.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzStick with us on the board. I'm counting them 24. Yep, all right. So let's give it a let's spin that wheel. All right, well, and we're we got Igor Stravinsky.
Jake ParrishAh Igor Stravinsky.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAbsolutely. Who's taking it? Igor or Igor. Who's taking that one? Jake, why don't you give this one a try?
Jake ParrishIgor Stravinsky. Do you guys remember where this was in the movie?
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzRemind us.
Jake ParrishUm, if memory serves me correctly, I believe that's when he was calling Jim Swarth out, correct? Absolutely.
"Big Bob" WestThis is Igor Stravinsky.
Jake ParrishSo, Igor Stravinsky is a real character or a real person. Do you guys have any idea what who he was?
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzNo.
Jake ParrishHe was a Russian composer, pianist, and conductor. Okay. From 18 uh born uh June 1882, uh, died uh April 6, 1971. He was uh he is widely considered one of the most important and influential composers of the 20th century. So it's funny, I didn't know who it was, but it's just it's funny to see that some of these names are a little bit more famous than others, and people still kind of go over their head, you know.
"Big Bob" WestAnd I wonder why I wonder why Fletch chooses that that that voice he does. Yeah. A Russian accent would have worked better. But either way, it's a very funny uh Mr.
SPEAKER_09Jim Swarthel. Uh my name is Igor Stravinsky, and I'm calling about some uh ranch property I'd like to buy. Good, Mr. Stravinsky.
Jake ParrishWhat'd you have in mind? But Igor Stravinsky, real.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzWow. All right, let's give this thing another spin on the nice little spin. Yeah, maybe you take the next one, huh? Whatever it is. Ted Nugent.
Jake ParrishOh, that's classic.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOkay. Ted Nugent, the motor city madman. Yes. Uh Ted Nugent is a real person. Uh, it's the first alias that Fletch gives in the movie. He gives it to Alan Stanwyck on the beach.
SPEAKER_13I don't see how you can pass that up, Mr. Nugent. Ted Nugent.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzTed Nugent's a guitarist, a rocker, uh, most famously uh known for uh Cat Scratch Fever, the song Catch Feature Singer on that.
"Big Bob" WestYou know, I've heard of Ted Nugent a million times, mainly from Fletch, but I I gotta admit, I I don't know what songs he sings.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAnd when you just told me that, that that that's amazing that he sings that song. More recently, I think he's been more of a political uh person, uh very about gun rights and NRA and stuff like that. You know, they call Ted. That basically sums up Ted Nugent. I mean, he's pretty pretty famous, uh, pretty famous rocker.
Jake ParrishI remember Cat Scratch Fever. Yeah, I remember that song. I dated a girl. Funny, funny, uh, funny story. I dated a girl who actually had I I thought I didn't even know it was real until she's dead.
"Big Bob" WestWhat are the what are the uh side effects of Cat Scratch Fever?
Jake ParrishI I don't know. Apparently, apparently enough to uh tolerate me for a short period of time, but only a short period of time because I think she dumped me like a month later.
"Big Bob" WestWell, you know, it wasn't anything you did.
Jake ParrishI don't know.
"Big Bob" WestPoor girl was sick.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzYeah, let's keep this thing going. Let's give this another spin.
"Big Bob" WestOh, Mr. Poon. We got Poon, yeah. Okay, all right, classic. You know, as as uh as much as there was on Arnold Babar, um, over my searches over the years, not a ton on Mr. Poon. Sugar, Mr. Poon. No, never, never, thank you. However, there are a few things I'd like to discuss. So, according to the 2010 US census, Poon Poon is the 7308th most common surname in the US. Wow. 4500 4564 individuals do have the name Poon. What kind of a name is Poon? Comanche Indian. Uh Comanche means enemy in the dialect of the Utes. Now, the Utes being natural enemies of the Comanches, the the the Utes, the people that many, many native tribes would uh would fight. Uh I'm sorry, I'm sorry, did you say Utes? I yes, and I'm gonna say, and I'm gonna now I'm gonna explain what a Ute is. So the Utes were a rival tribe, and you know, where would they be from? Of course, Utah.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzObviously, Mr. Poon gets hit in the nose, he's got the band-aid. He says the vice the vice president whacked, yeah, blood whacked him with the door. The vice president was George. George Bush Sr. was the vice president at that time.
"Big Bob" WestYes, George George H.W. Bush. Absolutely. That was great. And then it also leads into another Fletch alias that that really gets ignored often. Uh Frida's boss.
SPEAKER_09No, I'm sorry, who are you again?
"Big Bob" WestI'm Frida's boss.
SPEAKER_09Who's Frida?
SPEAKER_11My secretary.
"Big Bob" WestAnd that's and that's a line that I've used to cover my ass so many times. Just that double talk is just so great, and I guess it deserves a mention. But yeah, Mr. Poon, without a doubt, one of the greatest of all time. And sure. All right, let's uh let's give this alias uh wheel another spin. You want to go Jake this time, whatever it lands on?
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzYeah. Ooh, Jake, what what name is that on?
SPEAKER_02That's right between two.
Jake ParrishBetween Dr. Rosen or Harry Truman.
SPEAKER_02I think that's I think that's Rosen.
Jake ParrishObviously, that was something that Fletch made up, but um Dr. Rosen Rosen or Dr. Rosen penis, or just Dr. Rosen. But uh yeah, completely made up, but still a classic, classic character when it comes to the movie itself. Uh not mentioned in the book, so exclusive to the movie. Um hey Jim. Um I was just wondering, in the script, was was there mention of specific Rosens, or was there just did Chevy ad lib all of them? Or do you remember?
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzI believe in the final script. Now the the script I have is the final script, which is the script that Chevy co-wrote. And I believe the Rosen dialogue is in there.
Jake ParrishOkay.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzYes.
Jake ParrishYeah. And you know there are several that were on the wall, obviously, in the directory, and that's what he's looking at. And it's funny because every one of them was Rosen, you know, which is Yeah, without a doubt. Yeah, yeah. Um, but as far as may I help you, Dr.
SPEAKER_12Uh Oh, it's me, Dr.
FletchCast IntroRosenpeus.
SPEAKER_11I'm just here to check out Danwick's file. Dr.
FletchCast IntroRosen Rosen.
SPEAKER_11I'm here to get you the records of. It's Dr. Rosen.
Jake ParrishI uh I want to check the records, you know. Dr. Rosen. Real or not real, not real.
"Big Bob" WestStill the one of the most one of the most quotable scenes in the entire movie. He puts that poor uh that poor woman through hell with what he's doing in front of her.
Jake ParrishYeah, B1. B1.
"Big Bob" WestAnd makes and makes her and makes her collate all those papers too. Let's give that let's give that spin another wheel, or wheel another spin. Sorry. Oh. Don Corleone. Uh you know, I'll take that one. Uh mainly because not so much Don Corleone. I mean, we all know who who Don Corleone is. You know, we're talking about the infamous, probably many people regard as the greatest movie, American movie of all time, The Godfather, uh, Don Corleone being the head of the Corleone family. Um Fletch uh mentions his his two sons actually had three, one being Sonny and the other being Mike and Fredo. Um listen, if you don't know the Godfather movies, then how the hell do you know any of me at this point? How are you on a Fletch podcast? But but yeah, you know, he he he beautifully kind of talks about the family and how uh his uh sons are taking over the business and Mo Reeds out of the Tropicana. It just all ties into a reference to the movie itself.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzRight. He can yeah, he goes with he goes with the alias. It's not just a name, he continues with information that supports the godfather.
"Big Bob" WestRight, trying to trying to just you know stall for time because he has a gun to him. Now, the bigger uh thing to talk about in this scene in this scene is the mattress police, okay? I'm gonna ask you both a question. Mattress police, real or fake.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzI've we've always been been trained to think it's real.
Jake ParrishYeah, same.
"Big Bob" WestYou think so? You know what? You're right. The mattress police are an actual state inspectors from the Bureau of Home Furnishings, according to the LA Times, okay? They they do have police powers, they can write citations for removing tags off of furniture and betting. What they do, okay, when they go around to stores and warehouses, okay. Uh I wouldn't say they're undercover, but I guess you you wouldn't know who they are, okay? When they find a product in the shop or a factory uh that has no tag, their police powers take effect, and then they can write citations or violations, okay? That's what the mattress police do. They are real.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzThey are real, but they're not yeah, consumers can remove the tags. It there's no law. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
"Big Bob" WestThis is prior to buying it, the tags can't be removed. Right, right, right. Once, okay, folks, yeah. Just in case you ever wonder this or concerned, once once you purchase whatever product has a tag and it's in your home, you are allowed to remove the tag. So that's a little bit of an inaccuracy for for for the movie itself. Uh, but I don't think that that guy who working for the landlord knew what the hell was going on anyway. But yeah, they they're they're policing those tags being on a product before it's sold.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAnd also with another Don Corleone connection, the Alan Stanwick mansion was the mansion that was used in The Godfather as well.
"Big Bob" WestYes, it was. Yeah, yeah, you know what? I'm so glad you mentioned that because I sure didn't. The the exteriors are used. I think it's Hearst Mansion, isn't it? Yeah, yeah. The exteriors are used with that with that big uh uphill driveway with all this beautiful statues and everything. Great call. Good team effort. Good team effort. Yep.
Jake ParrishI I know we're early, but I have got to give you kudos for your research. I mean, it is top notch today.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOh, thanks. He is a bear for detail. Oh, thank you.
Jake ParrishYou really are. You are a bear for detail. Oh my god.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzThank you. Uh, this will be edited out. Okay, let's see what the one's coming up next. Oh, John Cocktalstoy. Oh, one of my favorite names. Now, I think there's a misconception as to what the actual name is. Is it John Cocktolstoy, John Coctolstin, John Cochtolstoy? Yeah, the honest answer is they're all right. Because Chevy Chevy delivers it in a different way every time he says it. I'm John.
"Big Bob" WestOh, John.
SPEAKER_12Oh, Kevin. Uh now, John who?
SPEAKER_13John Coctew still.
"Big Bob" WestYeah, you're right. He really puts a lot of emphasis on the cock.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOf course. Well, it's Scotch Romanian.
Jake ParrishWell, it's an unusual combination.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzSo are my parents. Uh, now, a little extra bonus fact. If you guys, if anybody out there has a Moose Southwest Grill near them.
FletchCast IntroTo the off-the-wall entree names and promotions. Moose knows what people like.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOh you can actually order a John Cocktalston quesadilla. What a life-changing day it was for us when we discovered that, right? Yep.
Jake ParrishYeah, I remember seeing that for the first time. I was like, oh.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAnd uh in the description of it, it says um, you know, it says all the things that are in it, and it says at the bottom, definitely not an odd combination, which is again just great. Wonderful.
Jake ParrishIf you read Fletch 2, that scene is uh with the different names, is is kind of in that, but it's a different name. But the name changes.
SPEAKER_09Who is it?
Jake ParrishUh it's John.
SPEAKER_08John Who?
SPEAKER_13It's John. John Lebs. I don't remember.
SPEAKER_08John Cocktoon.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAll right. All right, let's give this another spin. Yeah, let's let's keep on spinning. Mary Poppins.
"Big Bob" WestI forgot about I forgot about this one. So um, so yeah, I'll take that one. Um, so first and foremost, um, Mary Poppins, Peggy Lee's Orber. Now, Mary Poppins, not so much to talk about other than the fact that he's hanging from a uh a gutter, drops down, much like the way, you know, Mary Poppins, infamous nanny who could fly, magical powers. So, so you know, he's he's actually in a maid's outfit. In Fletch Lives, we see such a wealth of uh three named characters. You know, maybe it's because it's in the south and everyone down here goes by first, middle, and last name. But Peggy Lee Zorba is the first one to lead us off. And not so much because it's in the south, but the movie opens and they're in a Greek restaurant. Now, Peggy Lee Zorba, of course, a reference to the 1964 movie Zorba the Greek. Okay. Um, in that scene itself, uh, Chevy is dressed as a uh a cleaning lady and they're a maid. I don't want to get the term wrong and put myself in a situation where I'm using the wrong terms, but but a maid for lack of a better term. Um in this scene, have you guys ever noticed that really rockin' cool opening song? And I don't know what it is. It's I don't know if it's Faltimayer or not, but just something to look back on. Again, he's in a Greek restaurant that opens up. They the the Greek people are pretty much, I don't know if they're mafia or just crooked running a restaurant, but they're talking to some sort of accountant about um uh cooking the books. And of course, Fletch is there dressed as Peggy Lee Zorba. Uh he goes into the woman's restroom after he's observing and taking notes of what they're saying, because obviously he's gonna write a story on what they're up to and the corruption in this restaurant. Uh, he's followed in by Uncle Kakakis. Uh, Uncle Kakakis being uh from a different time, not condoning it, follows Peggy Lee Zorba into the woman's room and just absolutely gets a handful of ass. Just grabs Peggy Lee Zorba's ass. Hi, what's your name, little lady?
SPEAKER_11My name? Peggy Lee Zorba. Peggy Lee Zorba. You're cute. Do you mind if I just freshen up a little bit? Splash a little water on my face.
SPEAKER_01Whatever makes you feel sexy.
"Big Bob" WestIt's a reference to uh Anthony Quinn's character in the movie uh the uh Zorba the Greek, uh Alexis Zorba. Obvious reference based on the movie because they're in a Greek restaurant and because the it's one of the most famous Greeks.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOne thing I like about one thing I like about the Mary Poppins alias is he thinks of it so quickly. I mean, he never I mean he doesn't know he's gonna fall on top of a car and have to have an alias ready. You know, but the fact that he fell from the sky, land on the car, they're like, Who's this?
FletchCast IntroWhat the hell is that? Oh geez, if it's a cop, kill him. Hi, Mary Poppins.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzIt's just so quick that's true witted by Fletch to put that together as a joke and an alias. Listen, that's that's Fletch, though.
"Big Bob" WestYou know, race under pressure.
Jake ParrishThat's a great scene. That's a great opening scene.
"Big Bob" WestYeah, yeah, yeah. Porn fuckis. His glasses are so thick. Titos Vandis, I believe, is real name. He's an actor from the 60s, 70s. It's just Such a sweet old man, even though he's kind of you know being a local pervert. Uh, what he's done, what he's up to is no good. But you know, at least by today's standard, and really by all standards, you shouldn't assault somebody that way. But but such a sweet scene, regardless. He's so in love at first sight with Peggy Lee and poor Uncle Kakakis just has no idea. Feel a little horny, Uncle Kakakis. Absolutely. Either way, let's keep spinning that wheel as a lot of fun. You give this one a spin. Oh, me? All right, I'm gonna spin it the other way. Yeah, not as not as strong as I thought it was. It's supposed to go all the way around, too. It's supposed to go all the way around. I'm pretty embarrassed. Harry S. Truman.
Jake ParrishI'll take this one. Um, yeah, I mean, this is pretty obvious. Um, we know where Harry S. Truman was. He will works for Casewell Insurance. Uh when he comes to Marvin Stanwyck, and you know, as he says, his parents were uh big fans of the former president, and he dropped he dropped a big one, yeah. And he dropped two of them, actually.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzHe dropped two big ones, dropped two big ones. Yeah, well, you know what, and this, I mean, I I could correct me if I'm wrong, but this is this is the first alias that the guy recognizes the name.
Jake ParrishThey actually have a discussion about it, yeah.
"Big Bob" WestYou're right, you are correct, yeah.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzRight. So he has to have a backup story in case he gets figured out.
Jake ParrishI guess he could say that about any of our alias. That his parents were big big fans. That's true.
"Big Bob" WestYeah.
Jake ParrishSo we know that Harry Truman was the 33rd president uh from the mid-40s to 1953. He was actually um he was actually FDR's vice president. He was born in 80, 1884, died in 72, became president when FDR died. He and that's he, I think he's most famous for ending World War II because of dropping the big ones.
SPEAKER_12Yeah, he was a good man. Or what? He showed the Jeffs a thing or two. Oh, yeah, he dropped the big one, huh? He dropped two big ones on it. He was a real fighter.
"Big Bob" WestYeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sure he did.
Jake ParrishI love it. It's like he hits the pothole, you hit the pothole, boof. You know, they ought to recall these things. You hit one good bump out here, and boom.
SPEAKER_11Whole rear window explodes.
Jake ParrishI love and also totally random when he tries to drink out of the uh out of the glass with the straw. Yeah, the straw is upside down.
"Big Bob" WestOh, straw? That straw is just a mess.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzI feel like the straw is like melting in the heat, too, in the way it bends. Well, no, because he has the short part underneath, so when it floats up, the long part floats away from his mouth.
Jake ParrishCalifornia, San Burdu.
"Big Bob" WestAnd I asked, you know, one last thing too about that scene. One last thing about that scene that I love, and I and I use this line all the time. When she she's trying to show more pictures, she says, No, I'm trying to quit. I just love the delivery of that.
Jake ParrishThat's such a great delivery. So there's Harry S. Treatment.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAll right, Jay, give this one a give this one a whirl. All right, let's let's keep on spinning.
Jake ParrishAll right, here we go. And boom. Try to make it go, try to make it go all the way around.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzI'm like, that was embarrassing. Geometry Fletch. I I forgot about this one. Not a lot to it, but it's it's a funny one because it's obviously a um you know a comeback to calculus from Fletch Lives. I'll be calculus, you have to be. You be Mr. and Mrs. Fletcher?
SPEAKER_13I be Fletch. Geometry Fletch. You'd be Miss Trigonometry Ross.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOh, please, Dom Chill. Obviously, carrying on with the uh the mathematic first names. And um actually, like not that long ago, I don't know if you guys heard, somebody actually named their son Scientific Map. Interesting. Let's give it a I'll give this one a spin. Billie Jean King, Bug Busters. Bob, you gotta take this. It's a Fletcher Lives one.
"Big Bob" WestOh, Billy Jean King Busters. Billy Jean King, of course. Yeah, yeah, one of my favorites, one of my favorite characters. I love the scene itself. Uh of course, Billie Jean King a reference. First of all, once again, being in the South, three names. Billie Jean King, of course, being the number one ranked tennis player, uh, with 39 Grand Slam titles, 12 in singles, 16 in uh women's doubles, and 11 in mixed doubles. Uh, just a legend. You know, before the the Williams sisters, Venus and Serena Williams came along, Billie Jean King was the talk of the town in women's tennis and tennis in general. The biggest takeaway, though, not to disparage uh her struggle or her life, was that she married somebody named. That's right. The Bugbuster scene itself, though.
Jake ParrishIt's so fantastic. It's so fantastic.
"Big Bob" WestSo much to talk about that I could spend an episode on. You know, there's a bit of a deliverance reference in there where with the squeal like a pig. Uh, the fact I love when he tells the guy to smack his head from the side, and he he no, this side, and and I love the way the guy's combover goes flopping over when he does it, and he leaves him there. Again, he's using the novelty teeth in that scene. Uh, the funny accent he uses, the the word deplay mean, just one of the best scenes. You know, if you're looking for a funny scene to watch on YouTube and you're looking up Fletch Lids, that's one of the words. You know, and he managed to find the queen.
Jake ParrishYou know, they multiply by masturbation. I don't get that.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzUh all right, spin it again. Oh, G Gordon Liddy. Well, actually, you know, we we make the common mistake of saying G Gordon Liddy, but the alias is actually just Gordon Liddy.
SPEAKER_12Uh, do us a favor, pal. Name's Liddy. Gordon Liddy.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzBut the true person, the person behind the alias is G. Gordon Liddy. Now, uh, G. Gordon Liddy was uh the chief operative in the Watergate scandal. Right. He was convicted of uh several crimes, uh uh including conspiracy, burglary, illegal wiretapping. They famously burglarized the Democratic National Committee headquarters. And uh served uh served 52 months in prison, and then after that became a pretty popular political radio host, radio talk show host.
SPEAKER_01From Washington, D.C., Radio Free DC with G. Gordon Liddy.
SPEAKER_05And it is I, G. Gordon, known to Reverend Leadman as the G-Man. And this is Radio Free DC, the G Gordon Liddy show. And we're good to go and ready to launch.
"Big Bob" WestThat's where the money is.
SPEAKER_05Or no.
SPEAKER_13That's you. Don't tell me my business, boy. Just checking the luggage.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzHow many? Uh I wonder how many are left. Let's see. Let's keep spinning. We haven't got a duplicate yet. Yeah. We haven't got a duplicate yet.
SPEAKER_02And the next one up is power. We're really powering through. We are. No shadamas.
Jake ParrishI'll take this one. I mentioned it earlier. So um, you know, this is this is a great scene in Fletch Lives. Um, so please do buddy. Um, I I just think this whole scene is hilarious with the uh the woman that just had her nose ducked on the airplane. Um on the airplane. So funny.
"Big Bob" WestShe is a steam, she is a scene stealer, that lady.
Jake ParrishShe is when he says his name is Nostradamus. Oh my gosh. And then she says, Nostradamus.
SPEAKER_00I love the Fontenaris.
Jake ParrishSo we know that Nostradamus was a real person, uh, lived in the 1500s. He was a French astrologer, famous, most famous probably for his book Les Prophets, or something like that, it's called. There were like over 900 poems. Um, and they claim in uh quotations claim that he predicted the Great Fire of London, the French Revolution, uh Hitler, Napoleon, uh the World Wars, um 9-11, yeah, 9-11. 9-11.
"Big Bob" WestSo he's a scary son of a bitch. But again, if you if you if you make vague references, anyway, anybody can choose how it refers to the world. But the scary thing is how it's so accurate to the year in so many cases.
Jake ParrishBut yeah, go on. Well, that was about it. So um, but that's Dr. Johnson. Yes, he was real.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAll right, I stopped, I stopped that last wheel. Um, this one, Bob, you gotta take this one. Peter Lemon Jellow.
Jake ParrishOh, yes, that's that's that's your alias. That was not first and foremost.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzBobby Rap. Peter Lemon Jellow, your house is on fire.
"Big Bob" WestI I love the name Peter Lemon Jell. Anybody want to guess out of the top 15 where lemon jello lands for favorite flavors?
Jake ParrishIt's gotta be top five.
"Big Bob" WestI'm gonna say top 10. I was gonna say top 10, but it sounds like it's not. No, doesn't barely cracks the time. It's 14th ranked right above pineapple. The top five on the pineapple. I will give you the top five. Yeah, me neither. Yeah, pineapple, pineapple's 15th. Uh, yeah, it falls uh pretty low. Uh, I guess it's just too too strong a flavor. But again, the name is just a made-up name, not real, not based off of anybody historically. But I love the name so much because it's just such a funny throwaway scene. The way he walks into the control center and takes over. The way he lies to Bobby Ralph about his house being on fire, and that poor son of a bitch probably lost his job and ran home. Probably thrilled to find out that his house was not on fire and his family was safe, but we're probably also so destroyed with the fact that they fired him based on what happens when he leaves his post.
Jake ParrishThat's a really funny scene, too. Um he just kind of walks in and nonchalant says, Your house is on fire. And then the everything that proceeds, you know, or uh you know, the everything that comes after that, as far as you know. Compulsive gambler, but he was actually you know, he had hemorrhoids, I think, right?
"Big Bob" WestIs that TB Ted? Or is that something?
Jake ParrishNo, that's Tbu Ted. Yeah, it is TB Ted. Poor Tibu.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzYeah, good lower T Boo. Put your pants back on. But but but Bob, I will tell I will just interject one little thing. Peter Lemonjello is a real person. Peter Lemon Jello, he is a six. Yeah, there's a singer. He was a he was a 70s, a 70s cabaret singer named Peter Lemonjello. Yes, out of town. Fletch gate out of town. He I think he had a hit album called Love76.
SPEAKER_08You are about to witness a new dimension in entertainment, Peter Lemon Jello. Peter Lemon Jellow. Yes, Peter Lemon Jellow. In this album at age of seventy-six, you will experience all the warmth and tenderness living in the heart of Peter Lemon Jellow. The excitement that is Peter Lemon Jellow on stage.
Jake ParrishHow did you know? And Bob didn't know. Are you a cabaret fan?
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzI do love cabaret. You know that. You that was a loaded question. Well, I know. I that's true. That was a dumb question. That was a loaded question. But right now, yes, go to peterlimangello.com. I'm sure it's uh I'm sure it's still in it's more active than Fletch Wanda.
"Big Bob" WestYeah, I never knew. I never knew. I'm humbled and embarrassed.
Jake ParrishYou know, I was I was I had such I I I had such high accolades for you at the beginning of this podcast, Bob. And then you totally botch Peter Lemon Jelly.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzYeah, I just shit the bed.
Jake ParrishYou did you set the bar up?
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzYeah, he came out of the gate of the bar. Yeah.
Jake ParrishSo maybe when you started in the message board all these years, maybe LJ thought, wow, this guy really likes that cabaret singer.
"Big Bob" WestWhen you say L J, do you mean Laker Jam or Lemon Jell- Yeah?
Jake ParrishOh, that's true. Either or they're interchangeable.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzWell, you know what? Maybe, maybe Bob, what happened was you spelled lemon jello wrong. Because lemon jello is spelled with a G. That's the reason why. Lemon. That's the reason why.
Jake ParrishThat's the reason why. Because when you think Jell-O, you think J-E-L-L-O.
"Big Bob" WestYou know, I'm gonna have to circle back to this and re-edit this podcast and uh and suddenly know all about Peter Lemon Jell. I'm gonna need about 40 minutes of research. I'm hoping you guys don't mind. Man.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzWe don't have that kind of time. All right, let's spin the spin the wheel.
Jake ParrishOh, I uh let me do that one because I saw that one a little while ago. So um we know Victor Hugo from what? Does anybody want to take a guess?
"Big Bob" WestUh he was an author, right?
Jake ParrishYes. He wrote Les Mes, Les Miserables. You know, everybody knows the famous, you know, the musical, but yes, he he was the one who wrote the novel. He was a French poet, uh, he was an essayist, a playwright, and Le Miz was I wrote this down, uh talking about the social injustice of 19th century European society with focus on sufferings of the poor. So everybody knows about Le Miz and uh Victor Hugo.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzWhy am I drawing a blank when he says it? I can picture him saying it, Victor Hugo. What why can't I picture where this is in the in the movie?
Jake ParrishYou're right. I can't remember either. I had it on top of my mind when I was writing it down last night, but I can't remember what it was. It's gotta be Fletch Lives, right? Oh, I know where it was. I know it. I know it. Where he was in the cell with Ben Dover.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOh, oh, you're right.
Jake ParrishYes, that's right. Victor Hugo. So overshadowed by the Ben Dover line.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzBen Dover then. Ben Victor Hugo. Okay, I guess. Yes, I knew it.
Jake ParrishI knew I'd I thought of it last night. Good call.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAll right, we figured it out.
"Big Bob" WestOh Baba Al Rum. I'll take this guy. I know you're I know you I know that you're a wealth of knowledge when it comes to Baba Al-Rum.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzSo yeah, yes, I and I told you guys I had I had started to prepare this information prior to even knowing we were gonna do this episode. So Baba Al Rum, as we obviously know, we never know it in the movie. He's never referred to as that. Um, but that is the uh like guru character that Fletch plays at the very end of the movie. He's on the roller skates, he's got the beard, he's got the bald head and the robe. So Baba Al Rum, and we know that from the um from the ID on the cover. On the cover or the poster, on one of the fletch IDs it says Baba A Rum. Uh, so that was actually based on a real person, Baba Ram Das, who was a California guru as well. He was uh, you know, he was somebody that uh he he's known for the book, uh the best-selling book, Be Here Now. He was a spiritual healer, and um he helped uh kind of popularize Eastern spirituality. And uh there's actually a Netflix documentary really um about him. Yeah, it's called Ram Das Going Home, and he looks exactly like Fletcher the beard, the bald head, the robes. It's almost identical to the way Fletcher looks in the scene. And yeah, it's was based on a real that was based on a real guy. I'll be honest, that's the one alias that I knew nothing about.
Jake ParrishYeah, nothing going into it. And he never uses the name though, does he? I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
"Big Bob" WestExcept excuse me, that's the second alias, because obviously I didn't know anything about Peter Lamangello, too.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzWell, now you do.
"Big Bob" WestThat's very important.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzNo, yeah, yeah. He never says it in the movie, never names himself, just the ID on the cover of was the was the Baba Arum person in real life?
"Big Bob" WestWas he big on roller skates, or was that just like an added twist?
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzI don't think so. I think roller skates was Fletch's uh little twist. All right, let's give this thing another spin. And we're going to land on Eldridge Cleaver.
Jake ParrishOh boy, I'll do this one. So Jake, yeah. So Eldridge Cleaver, real person. Uh he was an American real person, but the alias is not delivered by Fletch.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzIt is Fletch's alias, but it's delivered by the card. That's right.
Jake ParrishWere they they were in the morgue, right? Was it weren't they in the morgue when that happened? Oh, yes, yes, absolutely. Yes, yeah. Um, with Ben Dover uh American writer, uh political activist, and his big claim to fame was he was the early leader of the Black Panther Party, right? So um, so he was born in uh August of 35. He died in the late 90s, but that is Eldridge Cleaver, so real.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzSo the Black Panther, leader of the Black Panthers, a name that maybe in the South should have rung a bell to Ben Dover, but yes, no, but but also uh it did ring it did ring a bell to uh calculus, probably somebody we look up to, right? All Ben Dover was concerned with was tagging his toe and stealing his Lakers.
"Big Bob" WestAnd yeah, that the loss of that Laker watch is is such a you know, you you worry about continuity in movies and you worry about people getting their belongings back. I I was always so panic stricken to think like he can't lose that watch for you.
Jake ParrishBut don't bother him, he's watching the Terminator.
"Big Bob" WestWe're getting towards the bottom of the barrel, not the bottom of the barrel, but the bottom of the list here. You know, we're running out of people.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOh, Henry Himmler. Oh, Hank Himmler. Okay, yeah, Hank Himmler. Now, now that's uh that's an alias that's given during the Ku Klux Klan, Ceno Fletch lives. And uh Hendrich Himmler, who he's who he's uh nicknaming, uh nicknaming nicknaming himself after, he was one of the most powerful men in Nazi Germany, and he was actually only second in power to Hitler. Uh was Hendrich Henry Hank Himmler. Uh so uh, you know, as we know from the movie too, he's uh the California clavin.
SPEAKER_12Who goes there? Henry Himmler, what clavin claims you? California clavin, cucumonga.
Jake ParrishAnd uh and again, an alias that totally came given to another claim should have been recognized. Especially, yes, exactly. Something they probably should have recognized.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOkay, let's give it a let's give it another spin. We got Ed Harley. I love that. Yeah, Ed Harley.
Jake ParrishLet me do this one. I'll do this one. Okay, so we know where Ed Harley comes. He's at the bar in Fletch lives, uh and and Chevy Fletch is really, really funny in this.
"Big Bob" WestUm absolutely the great one of the best, one of the best uh little um uh voice uh acting scenes he does in the entire series. Yeah.
Jake ParrishAnd then, of course, like you said, feel a little horny. I mean, that's a great line too. I love that line. I love I thought I we say that all the time. Um any t-shirts or bumper jiggers, decals, yeah. So Ed Harley is technically but now the Harley Davidson, so there is a Harley, but it's not Ed Harley, it's actually William Harley. Oh, okay. But but didn't he say though that his granddaddy maybe he screwed Davidson? Maybe there's an I couldn't find an Ed Harley, but yeah, William Hardy was the one that obviously started the company. Um so yeah.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzNow was it two people named Harley and Davidson?
Jake ParrishHarley and Davidson, yes.
"Big Bob" WestAbsolutely, yeah. You know, in that scene, uh, one of the other lines that I abuse to death is whenever uh I see a blue car, I always say original blue, and I'll say something like you and luck, why the biggest blue you can ride that low rider there if you want. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody touches my hogs.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzI always say, like, your your mustache look funny. Yeah, you do say that a lot. Yeah, a lot of mustaches look funny.
"Big Bob" WestThat's why I also love the the lead up to that. Before um Benover gets there, the the kind of the conversation he has with the teacher from Nashville where he you know Can I have a soda, please?
SPEAKER_13Diet Pepsi or tab would be good.
SPEAKER_08Hey, pussy.
SPEAKER_05Name's Ed. Ed Harley. Yeah. Are you sure you're in the right place? I think so. I think so.
Jake ParrishOkay. Uh I I okay. Fun fact about myself. I used to drink tab all the time before they stopped making it. All the time. Yeah.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzOh, really? Oh, wow. I think they started making tab again.
Jake ParrishI hope they do.
"Big Bob" WestFun fact about uh Laker Jim and I, uh, I where I grew up in in New Jersey, I was next door neighbors with Laker Jim's only uncle, Uncle Mike. And uh, you know, whenever Laker Jim would come over to my house, you know, swim, play basketball, whatever, we'd always Not always, but when we were younger, we'd always take a walk over to Uncle Mike to say hello. Um, he was a tab enthusiast, and we used to constantly a cool tab for us, yeah. Cooler tab, and we'd always ask him for a tab, and he'd oh yeah, he's drinking all my tab, you know. I'm gonna have to throw a tab for all the tab you're drinking. So shout out to Uncle Mike for always supplying us with the best tab in the house. Shout out, Uncle Mike.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAll right, what do we got? How do we got three left? Hold on. All right, let's see if we can get this one. We got Claude Henry Smoot. So funny. Other than Claude Henry, I love Claude. You know, also mustache.
"Big Bob" WestAlso, you know, one of those names, too, that uh wasn't originally Claude Henry Smoot. He had to improvise. It was doesn't he say Claude Henry Carlson at first, and then he changes it to Smoot? No. Well, it's Claude or Claude, yeah, yeah.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzSo not a real not not a real character. I'll take it. Not a real character, only because we got to speed this thing up. Uh not a real character, faith healer from the Farnsworth Ministry, obviously. Uh, you know, suffers from migraine headaches, as we know. Uh and he and he got those intense migraine headaches. He was um on his gazebo making some repairs, and he was struck by land. Now he he did receive the healing gift, but you know, still got to deal those migraines all the time. You know, yeah. For every yin, there's a yang. Caude Henry, Caude or Claude, not real.
"Big Bob" WestNot real. Boom. Right.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzWe got Bobby Lee Schwartz. Bobby Lee.
"Big Bob" WestUm you know, big Bob will take Bobby Lee. Uh, not a lot, again, not a lot on Bobby Lee Schwartz the second. Um, just again, it plays off of the whole three names in the south. Uh, really not much. You know, he's you know, we see Fletch standing in line, and we just like how when he's originally walking in the first time and he gives the the Claude Henry Smoot name and the address of seven, uh, he does the same thing, you know, where he's just giving fake names just to get it by. He is dressed as uh uh in the costume as one of the the I don't know if it's a Confederate or a rebel or whatever the hell he is, but you know, it's just again, it's just just a throwaway name to get himself in the door.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzYeah, you know, I feel like these three named Southern uh aliases are names he's coming up as he's saying them. You know, he's yeah, literally putting the three words together.
"Big Bob" WestWhen you say that, do you when you say that, do you mean in terms of the flesh character, or do you think Chevy Chase, the actor himself, is just doing it? Because I I could see it either way. Yeah, I could see it either way too. Yeah, not much to go on there other than that. Just just a throwaway. Unless you guys are gonna jump on me again and tell me he was like the governor of uh the governor. I was hoping you didn't yourself.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzI was hoping you didn't you didn't claude Henry smoot me because I was sure that that had to be somebody, but it wasn't yeah, yeah, yeah.
"Big Bob" WestI did I did do a little bit of extra research on uh on on Schwartz, probably Schwartz, and the name comes up, but again, nothing's nothing that would be like a tie-in to anybody.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzNow there's no reason to spin the wheel because we have one left, Elmer Fud Gantry, and I will uh I'll take this guy. Jump on it. Um yeah, so Elmer Gantry is a 1960s movie called Elmer Gantry. It's based on a novel about a fast-talking traveling salesman who's uh basically selling religion to a small town. Okay, so it kind of fits into the whole like theme of Fletch Lives. It's a it's a name that you would, you know, you could you could work in that makes sense with the with the theme and the the religious overtones, and uh and also it it he's he um uses the alias in the Phil Hartman Bly scene. So he's a fast talking, you know, he's a fast talking traveling salesman kind of guy. Uh so that kind of all makes sense. And obviously Elmer Fudd, uh, you know, the uh arch enemy of Bugs Bunny.
SPEAKER_13Aaron, you are I are pissed! Some damn fool told me it was on back order and I'd have to wait. Whose signature is this? Who signed that? Well, I can't. Well, that's the trouble. It's typical of a large corporation. Lack of communication. That's why I like to keep Everest small. Oh, you're from Everest. Now you're talking. Elmer Gantry, Elmer Fudd Gantry. Mr. Gantry, I'm not sure there's anything I can do. Well, you could pull my file instead of standing there pulling your putt.
Jake ParrishThat scene is so funny, too.
"Big Bob" WestWith the southern accent that Elmer Fudd, the character, the cartoon character has, it kind of works well with uh with the fact that he's using the slipping in that scene and and he's pissing blood.
Jake ParrishOh, the white god is so funny.
"Big Bob" WestFive suits a day. Yeah, I love that scene. And and a great Phil Hartman uh scene. He's so missed. He is so missed in the world, Phil Hartman. Yeah, Phil was great.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAll right, boys. Well, we killed I think we killed the aliases. That uh that's yeah, that was really informative. Like a lot of that stuff I didn't I didn't really realize.
"Big Bob" WestNo, if you're if you're listening at home, if you're listening at home and listening at home, you're in a car, you're at work, you're listening. If you have things to add, again, that's why we have our phone number. Give us a call, leave us a voicemail, tell us what you know. Tell me that Bobby Lee Schwartz was somebody that I don't know about. But by all means, give us the info that we're missing if you can. This is gonna be an episode once it drops. Uh, we are going to definitely have a lot of activity on social media, like we said earlier. Some of the photos, some of the pictures we're gonna post, comment like, you know, but but definitely uh keep the conversation going on social media.
"Laker Jim" James KanowitzAnd that wraps up episode 10 of Fletchcast. Man, this was fun. The aliases. Join us next week for a special Christmas episode. There's only two episodes left in season one of Fletchcast. So if you haven't caught up, catch up. The last two episodes are going to be amazing. For Jake, for Bob, I'm Laker Jim. I'm gonna catch the last 10 minutes of Dynasty. See ya.
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